Shards of Alara Slivers September 18, 2008
Posted by James in : all, fake cards, reviews, previews , trackbackJust like Ravnica, Shards of Alara was a perfect opportunity to make Slivers… but Wizards of the Coast has chosen to ignore such opportunities. (Perhaps Wizards decided that Slivers are only for 5 color sets.) Nevertheless, I can show you the Majesty of the Shards of Alara slivers.
Darksteel Sliver
Nothing that unique, but it gives the new colored artifacts design a good Sliver ability that is long over due.
Grixis Sliver
This Sliver is made to look more like the monsters from one of your favorite movies.
Each shard (three color group) can get its own rare Sliver. This is a relentless sliver, with the Relentless Rat ability… except it gives every Sliver that ability. I love cumulative Sliver abilities that make it worth having more than one in play. Imagine a deck full of this card. If you control two, they both have “For each other Sliver in play with the same name, it gets +1/+1″ and “For each other Sliver in play with the same name, it gets +1/+1.” In other words, they both have the ability twice and get +2/+2. If you have 3 in play, they all get +2/+2 three times (+6/+6).
Naya Sliver
This Sliver uses the background from one of the most popular computer games.
Naya Sliver is the most awesome Sliver I can imagine. If Muscle Sliver is in play, every Sliver has “All Slivers get +1/+1,” so if you have 3 Slivers, they all get +3/+3.” What is even more important is that Naya Sliver’s ability is cumulative, so if you have two in play, all other Slivers get the ability, “All Slivers have the ability, ‘This has all abilities all other Slivers have.’”
Let’s think about how awesome Naya Sliver is:
- Let’s say you have two Muscle Slivers in play and two Naya Slivers.
- Then all your Slivers have “this has all the abilities of other Slivers” and they have “All Slivers have the ability, ‘This has all abilities all other Slivers have.’”
- Each Naya Sliver has “All Slivers have the ability, ‘This has all abilities all other Slivers have’” twice, and each Muscle Sliver has this ability once.
- So, there are six copies of Naya Sliver’s ability.
- The only other ability worth mentioning is “All Slivers get +1/+1″ and each of your Slivers have this ability 6 times because of Naya Sliver’s ability. (All Slivers have “All Slivers get +1/+1″ six times.)
- You have four Slivers with six copies of Muscle Sliver’s ability.
- 6×4=24.
- Therefore, all Slivers in play get +24/+24. Right?
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Hydralisk Sliver?? Can it have: Sacrifice ~: Put a 4/4 Lurker token with shroud and provoke into play?
Naya Sliver = excellent with the Grixis Sliver! Just what we need to crowd a textbox on MTGO with!
Hydralisk Sliver needs some kind of sliverish ability.
What about Zergling Slivers?
Hydralisk Sliver could have “All Slivers have 2BG, Sacrifice ~: Put a 4/4 Lurker token with shroud and provoke into play”
Zergling Slivers… because you get two from one egg, it should have, “All Slivers have ‘When this comes into play, if it’s not a token, it’s controller puts a token into play that’s a copy of this card.’”
only problem, plague sliver.
Player A has naya sliver and 4 other slivers
Player B has Plague sliver
Player A: I’m so lucky i take 5 damage a turn Yay!
but the possibility of might sliver/sidewinder sliver multiples makes naya sliver awesome
What about multiples of the poison sliver? Four of those in play make you get 4 poison counters per sliver that hits you.
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Maybe do a Bant sliver
-Bant Sliver- GWU
2/2
All Slivers Have Exalted
now THAT would be cool with Naya Sliver
All-4-One Sliver
7/7
Legend
All Slivers gain bands
i think slivers get overpowered and thats why wizards chose not to put them in new sets. they want new deck ideas that are challenging, fun to play against, and not making the enemy feel helpless
Slivers have been made time and time again. They will be back. Also, Slivers tend not to be too powerful. When they were made in Timespiral I don’t think Sliver decks were even competitive.
how would naya sliver work with hivestone
the examples you provide are completely ludicrous. darksteel sliver is insanely overpowered. combine it with crystalline sliver and you win. and what if you get 5 of any one sliver in play before grixis sliver is even drawn, let alone put into play? also, naya sliver makes all slivers the same to a degree which undermines the entire sliver concept. slivers are about different slivers sharing their abilities through a “hive mind,” and having one sliver that makes all slivers true clones of each other would be crazy. and the exponential growth of power illustrated by the muscle sliver example shows how ridiculous the card would be. and by the way, the math in that example is wrong. it falls short at step 3. try again bud.
ps. including slivers cards in shards of alara would have meant that slivers would have to exist in the fictional planes of alara, which they dont, simply by virtue of the creator not wanting the storyline of the alara series to include slivers.
Ray,
This post was not meant to be taken very seriously. Darksteel Sliver is the least problematic of the slivers shown here.
The storyline point is irrelevant. The story is based on the cards they make, not so much the other way around. The game designers have a job to do before the story enters the picture.
“by the way, the math in that example is wrong. it falls short at step 3. try again bud. ”
No, you tell me exactly where the math went wrong. I don’t really know for sure how it would work.
I’m pretty sure there are only slivers on two planes. So until there’s a planeswalker crazy enough to move slivers to plane to plane. We won’t see Slivers off Dominiria. For those that don’t know the other plane they were on Rath doesn’t exist anymore
I think i love you
As a girl who plays magic and love slivers, I get a lot of hate. But I LOVE the slivers you’ve designed. I wish they would have made more for shards.
Naya is down, Muscle is down. Muscle has ‘+1/+1 to all slivers’, Naya has ‘all slivers have all sliver abilities (played)’. Naya now has ‘+1/+1 to all slivers’, Muscle now has ‘all slivers have all sliver abilities (played)’. Muscle now uses ‘all slivers have all sliver abilities (played)’ to copy yet another ‘+1/+1 to all slivers’ from Naya. Naya does the same to Muscle, Muscle repeats, so does Naya, and so forth. Broken as shit, lmao.
ehh. really like this post )
im a huge fan of slivers loved them since they came out and id love to see them come back but rays right they would have to write in who,how,and why someone would be stupid enough to move slivers to alara that is a whole story in its self and that would realy screw up the stor already there but as i said i realy would love to see them back oh and Alyy i know what you mean to much hate for slivers these days
i am obsessed with slivers, they are fully AWESOME!!
i am on a quest to collect at least one copy of every sliver ever made, even the ones that aren’t very good, just for the sake of having them, but i think the three suggested here are a little ridiculous…Darksteel Sliver is unbelievably over powered, especially for such a low cost, Grixis Sliver is just lame and Naya Sliver is idiotic…bot oh how i long for the days when slivers dominated all, unfortunately i didn’t start playing until time spiral and while there were some great slivers in that block, they just weren’t as powerful as their first release…oh, and for anyone who is interested, i have discovered a method for infinite 1/1 colourless sliver tokens on turn 4, provided you get the right first hand, which is unlikely, i have so far only been able to do once by turn 4 in an actual game. all it needs is gemhide sliver, heart sliver, heart stone and sliver queen and there you go, infinite tokens on turn 4 =)
SLIVERS REIGN SUPREME!!!
well, guys…i personally am crazy about them…i also think that the post is idiotic…i totally agree with Ray…every sliver has its own power and all together dominate everything…also as SAM THE ALLUNMIGHTY said old slivers were much more powerfull than shards slivers…anyway… SAM can u tell me about the 4th round combo??
To repeat, “This post was not meant to be taken very seriously.” Yes, these Slivers are ridiculous. You probably think the post is “idiotic” because you actually think I want these to exist or something.
I have played Magic for 16 years and I have actually created and play tested 6 magic sets. I know a lot about the game design.
You may have played magic for 16 years but it doesn’t show in this post.
More to the point is that it displays your ignorance to how slivers actually work. Grixis Sliver is “ok” as a sliver card and I’ll explain why:
1) Your math for cumulative status effects is totally wrong. In this case each Grixis Sliver gets +1/+1 for each OTHER (note: does not include itself) Grixis Sliver in play. That means that if you have two in play each only gets +1/+1 (because they’re giving the +1/+1 to each OTHER, not themselves), if you have three in play each only gets +2/+2. Not +6/+6 as you incorrectly stated.
2) Muscle Slivers give a similar effect to ALL slivers (inlcuding itself) at a cheaper cost.
3) Might Slivers increase the effect to +2/+2 to ALL slivers (including itself) for 4G.
4) Sliver Legion nets you a 7/7 legendary sliver that grants all slivers +1/+1 for each OTHER sliver in play, at a cost of only WUBRG.
Compared to your proposed Grixis Sliver, any of these would make a better choice.
Also, Grixis’ second ability would only be activated upon entering the battlefield (Like Homing Sliver’s Slivercycling ability - it doesn’t apply until it’s on the battlefield) therefore, the effect is useless as the constructed deck rules (A deck may have no more than 4 copies of an individual card, besides basic land cards) would apply before this ability could negate them.
The concept of the Naya Sliver is FAIL right out of the box… Slivers share all abilities anyway because of the Hive-Mind concept so it is rather pointless to have a sliver that says “All slivers have all abilities that other slivers have” because it already holds true to the species.
I understand the effect you were going for: a sliver that causes all slivers to make an additional copy of each other sliver’s abilities.
The problem with this is that it would create an infinite loop. Lets see this in action (As Ethrad had stated):
1) Slivers in play: Muscle Sliver (M1)
2) Abilities: M1 +1/+1 to all (including itself)
M1 is now a 2/2 sliver
3) You bring Naya Sliver (N1) into play
4) N1 gains +1/+1 from M1 upon entering the battlefield
N1 is now a 4/4 sliver
5) N1 copies M1’s abilities (+1/+1 to all)
N1 is now 5/5
M1 is now 3/3
6) M1 gains N1’s copy ability upon N1 entering the battlefield
7) M1 copies N1’s abilities (which are now: copy all others, +1/+1 to all)
M1 is now 4/4 with copy
N1 is now 6/6 with copy (because M1 copied the ability which gives all slivers the copy ability)
8) N1 uses the new copy ability it gained from M1’s copied copy ability to copy M1’s abilities (which are now: copy all others, +1/+1 to all) [See where this is going?]
N1 is now 7/7 with copy
M1 is now 5/5 with copy
copy, copy, copy… infinite loop… the abilities would continue to stack, resolve and reiterate, with no way to end the turn; save an instant spell which destroys or otherwise removes the Naya.
I like the idea behind the Darksteel Sliver and think something similar to this should eventually be added. Although the wording in the textbox would simply read: All slivers are indestructible.
Speaking of textbox wording, I’m surprised that someone who claims to have played for 16 years AND CREATED 6 magic sets could be so piss-poor at writing the texts…
My two-cents
SmellyCat,
Thanks for the comment, but you haven’t succeeded in proving anything other than the absurdity of the above cards that were clearly intended to be absurd.
You said, “In this case each Grixis Sliver gets +1/+1 for each OTHER (note: does not include itself) Grixis Sliver in play. That means that if you have two in play each only gets +1/+1 (because they’re giving the +1/+1 to each OTHER, not themselves), if you have three in play each only gets +2/+2. Not +6/+6 as you incorrectly stated.”
You are the one doing the math wrong. Again:
If you control two, they both have “For each other Sliver in play with the same name, it gets +1/+1″ and “For each other Sliver in play with the same name, it gets +1/+1.” In other words, they both have the ability twice and get +2/+2.
You are missing the point that Grixis Sliver gives every sliver the ability. It doesn’t just give them +1/+1 for each Sliver with the same name. It’s like how two Wing Slivers would both have flying twice. Instead of flying twice they have an ability that makes them bigger twice.
You said, “Speaking of textbox wording, I’m surprised that someone who claims to have played for 16 years AND CREATED 6 magic sets could be so piss-poor at writing the texts…”
Really? No wonder you didn’t understand Grixis Sliver. Instead of accepting the wording as given you wanted the wording to be something totally different — and then the card would have an entirely different ability. It would be the same thing as Relentless Rats. It is not the same thing as Relentless Rats because it’s a Sliver and the ability is cumulative.
I probably didn’t make these cards after creating 6 sets, but I also don’t know why the wording is “piss poor.” The wording used was made precisely how I wanted them to be worded.
The wording for Winged Sliver: “All Slivers have flying.” My Slivers say, “All Slivers have ‘xyz’.”
As I said above (comment 15): This post was not meant to be taken very seriously.
Then again notice that I said the following in comment 24: To repeat, “This post was not meant to be taken very seriously.”
I like slivers but except for the first one these are pretty over powered. The naya and grixis slivers are overpowered but fun looking. Only issues with sliver decks is pretty much anyone whose played awhile seems to have one.
to tell the truth these are way to over powered i dont think they would ever make these